In this segment Chuck Missler discusses 5 warnings of Hebrews. This segment comes from the "Hebrews" commentary published by Koinonia House.
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Rep5281, based on your posts, you, me, and everyone here is going to hell. We are filthy before Holy God. It's Christ who is our righteousness. You sin still. So does ever person on earth. It's called fallen humanity. Just because it's not murder or adultery doesn't make you any less guilty. Anything that is not of faith is a sin. Let's see your thoughts for the past month. I bet they're all pure. Remember this: The beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord. Get some.
Lee Bee, John said, My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world.1 John 1:1-2 , which sins? ALL OF THEM, past, present and future. If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. 1 John 1:8. Pride is also a sin and to say your thoughts are pure and you never sin in thought, John says you fooling yourself. You can't know what pops into you head when your sleeping, and just because your sleeping and an unpure though comes in, you haven't sinned. Under the law, if a man had a wet dream he sinned and was unclean and needed a sacrifice. We are no longer under the law, Jesus took us out from under it, not because it was not good but because it could only condemn us not save us. We are under grace, not a licence to live in sin, but if we do sin, its been paid for and out advocate if Jesus. read above.
For the record, all my thoughts are pure. If they weren't, how could I possibly claim to have been SAVED FROM SIN and born again? If a Christian continues to embrace sin, he will be told: "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:23)
The children of God do not sin, because Christ has set us free from sin, as the Bible says: "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." (1 John 3:9). Mr Missler is teaching terrible heresy here.
I appreciate what you're saying Rep5281. I too have caught the Holy Spirit in these days and I recognize the Lords words in all music. All music is praise and worship. Bible says so. Its true. The Rock, or Mother refers to God. The Children, or boys and girls refers to us(young in our understanding of our Gods ways). People easily point out satanic symbolism in music, but they dont listen for Gods symbolism! who made musicians afterall? All true talent is from God&Following ur passion leads 2GOD
I also have personal experience. I have been the walking dead for nearly twelve years now. Wake the **** up people! This is not a video game! Live according to the flesh rather than the Spirit and you will be cut off with the unbelievers.
Wrong. Spiritual separation from God is the meaning of "death" here. You are the one who is guilty of wishful thinking and I am not going to waste time discussing this with the ignorant such as yourself. Not only does the scripture promise that you will die spiritually for not remaining in Him but you'll also not inherit eternal life.
You're very arrogant, I was like you, I condemned everybody to hell that would not live up to my own personal standards, and even I didn't live up to them, that is religious arrogance and pride, and pride is a sin.
The bible says we can die physically it does not say a believer will lose eternal life.
Paul gives us an example of works and bearing fruit
1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Christ has laid the foundation and anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, straw. But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. gold and silver and jewels are valuable, wood, hay, straw aren't worth anything. V14 tell us If the work survives that builder will receive a reward. And V15 tells us But if the work is burned up the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.
So that person can be saved with no works, but it is described as someone barely escaping a fire, basically he didn't do anything and has nothing to show for it, but nonetheless if he believed he is saved, he is simply a lazy person that did not work for the master, and will receive no rewards from the master.
You have taken that scripture out of context,It is talking of a physical death & not Spiritual death;In the flesh;Romans 3;10 As it is written,There is none righteous,No,Not one;John 4;24 God is a Spirit & if Jesus is your Lord & Savior,He sees you in the Spirit;1 John 4;17 Herein is our love made perfect,that we have boldness in the day of judgment;Because as He(Jesus)is,so are we in this world.You need to read Eph 1;13 & Hebrews 9;12 and meditate on them;God Bless.
The Scriptures are perfectly plain and clear to all but the blind and foolish: The Bible says that those who are unfaithful will be cut off from God and cast into the "outer darkness"! This is *not* talking about "physical death only"! The idea of "eternal security" is simply not found anywhere in the Bible, despite Mr Missler imagining it's in John 10 or Romans 8, which it isn't.
As for Romans 3:10 ("There is none righteous") Paul was making the argument that all men, in their natural state, are born under sin, both Jews and Gentiles. He was laying down the *problem,* to which Christ is the *solution.* Paul is certainly *not* saying that sinners can never change, or that it is impossible for anyone to ever be saved from sin, because in Romans 8 he talks about freedom from sin, as do his other epistles.
As for Ephesians 1:13 - that verse merely says that believers receive the Holy Spirit, by which we know that the process of salvation has begun. It doesn't say we can never lose salvation or lose the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 6 is clear that a Christian *can* fall away and forfeit their salvation. (And please note that some evil translations such as the NIV and ESV add the word "guarantee" into those verses about the Spirit, denoting eternal security - but that is a wicked translation and not in the original. For a truthful translation, read the KJV or Douay-Rheims.)
As for Hebrews 9:12, you appear to be doing what Chuck Missler does: reading your own name into the Bible! That verse talks about how the Lord Jesus is saving a certain number of people - it *doesn't* say that you or I are among that number. We only know that we belong to Him, and have eternal life _if_ we are faithful to Him. Indeed, we know that a great many Christians are *not* His true Sheep, because He will tell them: "Away from me, I never knew you!" (Matthew 7:23)
If as a believer you live according to the flesh, YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED. u will be cut off with the unbelievers that you chose to imitate instead of continuing to live according to the Spirit. Romans 8:12-13. Go to bed, little angry child.
There is nothing "trivial" about Satanic liars suh as yourself peddling false doctrines in the church such as OSAS and causing many to fall away. A fraud such as yourself probably thinks you are in His Kingdom but are really on your way to Hell. Maybe that's why the truth has you so upset.
All TRIVIAL BS. Trivial BS. Let's all just argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Do something for the kingdom. How have you increased the talon that He gave you? If you say "Oh, it's all here, just what you gave me" then I'd MUCH rather be a OSAS. So, in real terms, what have you given to the kingdom, say in the last six months?
The Romans would burn part of there meals,and animal entrails.The rising smoke would be consumed by there Gods.
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The context of Hebrews 10 is animal sacrifice vs the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Twisted by many to deny that salvation is a work of God not man. The "willful sin" is continuing to sacrifice animals instead of placing their faith in the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. If they continue to do that once they have received knowledge of the truth of Christ, they have rejected Jesus' blood. A far worse sin than despising Moses' sacrificial law.
How foolish. The Scripture says those who SIN will not be saved. It doesn't say anything about a specific type of sin pertaining to animal sacrifice. That is pretty twisted to try and read that into the Scripture.
1 John 3:9
"Whoever has been born of God *does not sin,* for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"Do you not know that *the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?* Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
John 15 is the same thing, John 15 has confused many, probably because of the stupid Calvinists who try to pretend the branches broken off from Christ were never really branches in Christ, they make themselves look stupid with that interpretation.
Yet John 15 is about believers who do not bear fruit, the branch wither away (sickly) and is broken off and cast into the fire (the branch dies) the fire does not represent hell (but refers to Gods pure fiery judgement) The same can be seen in Matthew 3 where john the baptist talks about the Jews as trees being cut down and cast into the fire, this is a prophecy of the judgement they received in AD 70 under the Romans, all the olive trees were cut down in Jerusalem and used to set the temple and city on fire.
Fire in the bible does not always refer to Hell, just like baptism in the bible does not always refer to water.
sin unto death does not mean a person goes to hell, sin unto death is when a believer dies because of sin.
An example of this is those who did not take the Lord's Supper correctly and many had died
1 Cor 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
many were sick, and sleep (DEAD)
The result of continued unrepentant sin is sickness and death of the body, not loss of salvation.
If you can loose your salvation, god is a liar! Your sealed, your in gods hand. You didnt save yourself, so you cant keep yourself. All you self righteous pridefull hypocrites should get truly saved. Read your bible instead of listening to your denomination or a man." Sigh"
for though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again, but the wicked stumble when calamity strikes. Proverbs 24:16.All fall short of the glory of God, even Paul says the things he wants to do he doesn't and the tings he doesn't want to do that he does, sin is right there with him and the battle is between the sinful nature and the spiritual nature. I have given into temptation many many times in my christian walk, but if I though for one minute I have lost my salvation, I would die now, what the point of living if you know hell is you destination. I'd be in a nut house. The scriptures tell us Jesus died to take away the sin of the world, all our sins were put on him, are you saying only the ones before we believed? if that were the case where does it say only those ones? It doesn't it says ALL. And why would God seal us for the day of redemption, and then unseal us, where does it say that? There is no such thing as sinless perfection this side of eternity. anyone who says they have not sinned make him a liar John says and he also says, My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1 John 2:1. The only thing that had the power to condemn us was the law, and sin used it to condemn us, Jesus took us out from under the law to save us, because it couldn't. Does that give us licence to sin? no, but we will always feel convicted when we do because the Holy Spirit is with us forever, if we didn't feel guild, we wouldn't be christian, that what the Holy Spirit does, convicts us to we will run to Jesus to confess and he will ask the father for us who does forgive because the dept is already paid. You have been living a very unhappy and sine 01 my friend, because you think you lost something you never had to lose, Jesus holds it for us, he can not lose it, therefore he cannot lose you. Read your bible again.
Salvation can indeed be lost, but as Hebrews 6 says, we can only fall away once, there are no second chances. You can't come to repentance _twice._ So if someone seems to have fallen away and then repented and come back to the faith, it's most likely they were never truly saved the first time. True repentance is a once-in-a-lifetime radical transformation from evil to good and from death to life - rather like what happens to Scrooge!
According to Mr Missler, that verse is not about _all_ sin, but about one specific sin: the sin of going back under the Law. But that's not what Paul said! The verse is perfectly clear that anyone who deliberately sins will not be saved! It's so simple and clear that even a child could understand it.
It actually took falling away after walking with the Lord 5 years and being placed in a much different atmosphere to really understand what Christ did for me on the cross. Then repenting and coming back, I had learned a lot of lessons about God's love. But I also learned a lot about my love for Him as well. Still learning, but growing everyday. Will until I am translated into Heaven whether by death or His appearance. But what satan meant for evil God is really using for His glory.
Ok brother, Well, hopefully you will trust in Christ and what He did not what you do. I love Christ and do the best I can, is my best good enough, of course not. I repent of my short comings every day. He has changed me so much, but I am far from perfect. Struggle with selfishness, anger, and such. Paul says put off these now that you have been saved. Honeslty, if we could lose our salvation, I believe we lose it every day. But I will end here and keep you in my prayers. God bless my friend.
You are my brother in Christ, and I did think as you do now. If it's up to us to keep our salvation, we are all in trouble. I sin enough by thought enough to send me to hell before I get to the breakfast table. No matter how much I try to tame my mind, my mouth, my actions, it will never be enough. Romans 7. I admire your desire for righteousness, as we all should do, but don't be self righteous. We have only one high priest that makes intercession.
Adam knew the plan of salvation before Adam's fall. Would you not agree? In Romans 11 it says that if He cut them off, He is able to engraft them in again, talking about Israel. That is why salvation came to the Gentiles to provoke the Jews, correct? After Adam's fall, did God not clothe Adam? Redemption. By blood atonement because He had to kill an animal to clothe them. If God knows we would sin, Does He give us something and take it back? For the gifts and calling of God are without repentanc
I said that if I could lose my salvation by what you say in Heb. 6:4-6 then I cannot repent and come back. It is impossible, remember. I don't believe you can lose your salvation. You cannot lose something God gives you when He knew if you would be able to keep it or not. Doesn't even sound right. When I became a Christian a while back, I believe as you do, but glory be to God I understand what Christ did for me now. He is worthy. Not me. I follow Him because I love Him not fear of Him rejecting
Amen. I once thought like our brothers do in losing salvation, but if you read my posts on each one defending why the believe in losing your salvation, you will see that you and I now agree. Let's encourage our brothers to keep seeking truth. It took backslidding and repenting to understand the cross and His salvation that is a gift. Keep up the good work my brother.
In the Old Testament I believe was under grace as well. They did not have the Holy Spirit for regeneration as we do. God did not modify His law, He fulfilled His law. They knew and trusted in He who was to come and deliver them from sin. I once believed you could lose your salvation, but to me, that is saying what Christ did was not sufficient. I stronlgy disagreed with eternal security then God spoke to me, if He knows the end from the beginning why would He give me salvation and take it back?
What did He say on the cross? It is finished. All of it was fulfilled through Him. He exchanged His righteousness for ours. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. No matter how good you think you are, you fall way short of God's expectancy. Only trusting in Him who was perfect and what He did and accepting His righteiousness makes you right with God. Where there is no law, there can be no transgression, only we do not allow our freedom as a cloak to sin.
Read the book called Eternal Security by Charles Stanely. As one who taught one could lose his salvation before, after understanding what brother chuck missler has found, going back to the Word and studying it and reading this book by Charles Stanely, it was really eye opening. I believe I went through my back slidding and repentance for this very reason, to understand what Christ really did for me. Don't be like I was, saved by grace, but kept by works.
A true believer will be under conviction. I walked with God for a while, and I let sin take over, but I have since repented. Back then I thought I lost my salvation, but if I had lost it, I wouldn't of been able to repent and come back to the truth, Hebrews 6:4-6. You should read the greek on this, it has more of a meaning than what you see in English. I will tell you this, as a follower of Christ now, not perfect by any means, just changed by the Holy Spirit, I am at much more peace.
Cut off why? Because of unbelief. This is a nation, not an individual. I don't think someone can be cut off once grafted in, yet there is only one scripture that I am not sure about and that is "he that seeks to be justified by works, then he is fallen from grace". I do believe that God chooses those from the foundation of the world, but if you try to be justified by what you do rather than what you believe, I think you might be in trouble.
So, your intrepretation of what you are giving is that if anyone sins after receiving Christ can in no way come back to Christ if they lose their salvation. I used to believe one could lose his salvation, but after understanding what He did on the cross and much study of scripture, I don't believe so any longer. If so, he cannot repent and come back, but that is not what the Bible teaches. If God knows the end from the beginning, why would He give us salvation and then take it back if we slip up
The major impact of Hebrews is the coming of "Heavenly Jerusalem" & "Citizenship".
God loves you.
Don't make him ashamed of you.
He's a "loving & forgiving" God.
All for God & a loving Spirit,
I don't understand why there is a question as to whether Paul
wrote this epistle. He speaks of his bonds, He mentions Timothy
and a salutation from Italy, and above all He more than any apostle
fervently wished to convey to all Israel the truth of Christ being the
fulfillment of the Law. This epistle as well as the entirety of the letters
speaks to Christian suffering as the means of a deeper understanding
of the exceeding sinfulness of sin and the need to purge sin from existence
sad ...this is what i call a genuinely decieved preacher......
he really believes what he says.....
yet some of the he is plucking passages from scripture on the topic and shoving other passages that complete the understanding of this topic into the back burner to be incinerated by his lack of attention to them in his mind
I agree it is sad. I have enjoyed watching Mr Missler's videos for many years, and he does share a lot of interesting facts and academic wisdom surrounding the Bible. But having just watched this series of videos about Hebrews, I can see clearly that he is teaching a false salvation.